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Announcing Zoom Player v5.00 release candidate 1

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Posted 14 November 2006 - 08:10 PM

We're getting close to the final release.

This version contains a lot of changes from preview 8,
The most major changes are the complete rewrite of the options dialog and the finalization of the navigation interfaces. There are also a few requested features thrown into the mix.

And here's the very important part,
We REALLY need your help to go over the new options dialog. We need to know the following:
1. Is there anything missing, a setting, a feature or anything else that used to be in the previous options dialog.
2. Are there any typos, unclear descriptions?
3. Is any setting out of place under the new options tree? If so, where should it be?
4. Is something broken?

Download v5.00 Release Candidate 1

Changes from v4.51:
* All navigation interfaces have been rewritten from scratch.
	Navigtion is now much simpler, only using 5 directional

	All interfaces are inter-connected through the "MAIN"
	navigation interface and are much more easy to control
	using a mouse or touch-screen.

	Furthermore, navigational interfaces are now scriptable
	using a simple text-based scripting language, allowing you
	to easily reposition the layout and introduce alternative
	graphical elements.

	Multiple navigation styles are now available for download.

  * Smart Play (previously Customized Media Mode) has been
	vastly simplified.  In the simple mode, only the available
	profiles and the currently used filters are visible.  If the
	currently used filter matches a profile (which it most always
	will), the profile will be highlighted.

	Smart Play is now available in all version of Zoom Player
	to a lesser degree.

  * The Advanced Options dialog has been rewritten from scratch.
	The new dialog layout is much more logical and should help
	make Zoom Player's powerful features much more easy to access.

  * The Keyboard Editor will now let you create Global HotKeys.
	These are functions assigned to keys that are active even if
	Zoom Player itself is not the active application.
	Global HotKeys also have (on a per-key basis) the option to
	bring Zoom Player to the front.

  * The Auto-Get Duration for media files has been rewritten to
	get the duration in the background (working only on unused CPU
	cycles), allowing you to load massive play lists without having
	to wait.

	Getting durations for media files also supports more formats
	and is now enabled by default.

  * You can now drop Subtitle files on the main user interface in
	order to display the subtitle track with the currently playing
	media file.
	Requires DirectVobSub installed and Smart Play enabled.

  * New Equalizer Navigator (Shift+"Q"), allowing you to access
	Equalizer settings through the navigation system.

  * New Play History Navigator (Shift+"H"), allowing you to return
	to previously played files (if they still exist).

  * New "ZPS" Skin Installation System.  Simply opening any
	"ZPS" file (file with a .zps extension) will run Zoom Player
	and prompt you to install the skin.

  * New Navigation Skin selection option within the Skin Selection
	interface ("N").

  * New Contact Sheet creation dialog (Alt+Shift+"C").  Using this
	new interface, you can easily create contact sheet for the
	currently playing media file (doesn't work with DVDs).
	You must also set the video renderer to VMR9 Windowless.

  * New Functions allowing you to play the Next and Previous files
	in the same directory as the currently playing file with a
	matching file extension.  These functions are now assigned to the
	"PgUp" and "PgDn" navigational keys when navigator interfaces
	are not visible.

	For example, when viewing "MyImage.jpg" in a directory that looks
	like this:


	Pressing "PgDn" will show "MyImage2.jpg", skipping "MyImage.avi"
	These functions enhance Zoom Player's capability as an image viewer.

  * New Functions (Accessible on the Play List's right-click context menu)
	allowing you to move selected items to the top/bottom of the play list.

  * New Function (Alt+"E") that enables you to Open/Close the last visible
	navigator.  This last visible setting is saved between sessions, thus
	allowing you continuous navigation through multiple sessions.

  * New Function (Shift+"L") allowing you to show/hide the all Control Bar
	buttons (without the need to select/remove which buttons are visible).
	This function has also replaced the Hide/Show All Control Bar buttons
	on the Control Bar Context-Menu.  You will now be presented with
	a "Hide All Button" toggle (with a checkbox indicating ON/OFF state).

  * New Function "fnDeleteCurrent", Assigned by default to the Delete key
	(when the navigational interfaces are not in use), allowing you to
	erase the currently playing file (with confirmation).  

  * New Function (Shift+"Esc") allowing you to close all navigational
	interfaces.  If no navigators are visible, this function does nothing.

  * New Functions allowing you to go to the Next/Previous DVD Title.
	This requires that the DVD is authored to accept this functionality
	(some DVDs are authored to prohibit certain types of access).
	The macro keys are Alt+Shift+"]" for Next DVD Title and Alt+Shift+"["
	for Previous DVD Title.

  * New Extended Function (exZoomTo).  This function can be set to Zoom
	the video area to a specific Zoom percentage (for example, Zoom to 125%).
	You can access this function using the keyboard editor.

  * New Settings (Advanced Options / Interface / OSD), allowing you
	to force all OSD Displays (Navigators, OSD Actions, Control Bar,
	etc...) to display relative to a specific position on screen
	(while in fullscreen) or locked to fullscreen on the active monitor.
	When enabled, it allows you to Zoom/Move the video without it having
	an effect on the positioning of the On Screen Display elements.

  * New Settings (Advanced Options / Interface / OSD / Fullscreen
	Navigation), allowing you to choose if you want to sort directories
	first (list the directories before listing any of the files) in the
	File and Media Library navigators.

  * New Settings (Advanced Options / Interface / OSD / Fullscreen
	Navigation), allowing you to choose if you want to include
	sub-directories when playing all files in a directory.
  * New Settings (Advanced Options / Playback), which by default tells
	Zoom Player to play the next file in the play list when the current
	file ends, but when disabled, Zoom Player will pause at the end of
	each file (useful for presentations).

  * New Setting (Advanced Options / Video / Aspect Ratio) allowing you
	specify which monitor you want Source Relative Stretch (Pixel Aspect
	Ratio) to apply to.

  * New Setting (Advanced Options / System) allowing you to blank
   (black-out) all secondary monitors (any monitor not currently
	playing video).

  * New Setting (Advanced Options / System) allowing you to enable the
	Internal Screen Saver for Audio-Only files (so that the Internal
	Screen Saver would kick-in even if the file is playing).

  * New Setting (Advanced Options / Playback / Windows Media)
	allowing you to use the "WMAPro over S/PDIF" DMO filter to output
	Windows Media Audio through the S/PDIF port.  This setting requires
	that you use an external Receiver with Windows Media Audio capabilities.

  * New Setting (Skin Selector / Save Position).  When enabled,
	each skin's position (window position and size) will be remembered
	on an individual basis.

  * Support for DCoder's DC-DVB filter (a filter capable of using
	Zoom Player to view Digital-TV with TimeShifting) has been
	improved with new Teletext funtionality (number 0-9 to enter
	page numbers and Ctrl+"B" to switch Teletext on/off).
	Download the filter at "www.dsp-worx.de".

  * The Chapter Editor and GoTo dialog have been merged into a single
	interface.  The new interface is easier to use and more powerful.

  * The Chapter Editor now allows you to input a time to seek to using
	an HH:MM:SS.ms structure.  The input is pretty flexible, allowing
	variants such as H:M:S, M:S, S.ms, etc...

  * Pressing Ctrl+"V" in the Chapter Editor pastes the clipboard value
	into the "H:M:S.ms" Time field.

  * New Setting on the Chapter Editor allowing you to keep the dialog
	open even after seeking to a new position.
	(Useful for FanSub Editors)

  * The current time in MS is now visible on the Chapter Editor.

  * The Navigation Keyboard Macros (Up/Down/Left/Right/Select) can now
	have a custom function assigned to them when a navigator is not
	in use.

  * New "Remove Non-Exisiting Entries" button on the Play History
	interface, allowing you to remove old entries where the file no
	longer exists on the system.

  * Automatic support for Audio file image support by base name.
	For example, if you have "song.mp3" and "song.jpg" in the same
	directory, "song.jpg" will automatically load as a folder image.

  * New "FolderImage" Skin-Script function allowing you to draw the
	folder image anywhere within the main user interface.

  * The "VolumeExData", "BalanceExData" and "RateExData" Skin-Script
	functions can now use a Target parameter allowing you to place a
	Volume, Balance and Rate Control interfaces on the Play List Editor,
	Equalizer and Control Bar.

  * SHOUTcasted audio information (Title, Author, URL, Copyright,
	Description) can now be accessed by the following Skin-Script tags:
	<trackname>, <artistname>, <urllink>, <copyright>, <comment>.

  * New "<Volume>" Skin-Script tag, allowing you to display the current
	Audio Volume level percentage (0-100).

  * New "<FileIndex>" Skin-Script tag, allowing you to display the
	currently playing file's index number.

  * New "<VideoZoom>" Skin-Script tag, allowing you to display the
	current video zooming used in the window interface (affected
	by the Alt-"1..5" keys and the new "exZoomTo" function).

  * New "cBarTLMinWidth" Skin-Script constant allowing you to specify
	the minimum width of the Control Bar's TimeLine (default 64 pixels).

  * The Skin Selection dialog now has an "Uninstall" button.

  * New "RN" tag for the Zoom Player Play List file format (".zpl")
	instructing Zoom Player to randomize the play list once loaded.

  * New Communication API Messages "2610, 2611, 2620, 2621, 2630, 2631,
	2640, 2641" allowing you to query the current video display area
	located within fullscreen mode and to set a new location/size.

  * New Communication API Messages "2700, 2701" allowing you to get
	and set the current Play Rate (Media Mode Fast Play/Slow Motion and
	DVD Mode Fast Forward/Slow Motion/Rewind rates).

  * New Communication API Message "5130" allowing you to execute
	navigational control functions.

  * New Communication API Message "1450" allowing you to request
	the Unique DVD Identifier information.

  * New DVD "Additional Filter", the "Trombettworks Channel Downmixer",

  * The Nero DVD Navigator is now a DVD Navigator option.

  * New support for ".FLV" (Flash Video) files (used on YouTube and
	several other locations).  You need a recent version of ffdshow
	(with the FLV1 codec support enabled) and the Gabest FLV Splitter
	to get the files to play.

  * New Smart Play support for WMV:AP (Windows Media Video:Advanced
	Profile).  You also need updated Windows Media decoders to play
	this new format (the decoders come with WMP 11 and possibly in
	a decoder pack from Microsoft).

  * New Smart Play profiles for several uncommon AVI/MOV codecs.

  * New Smart Play profiles for WavPack Audio.

  + The WMV DRM license acquisition code has been improved and you
	should no longer be required to use Windows Media Player to
	acquire licenses.

  + Zoom Player's image-scaling code has improved.  This means a
	very nice speedup when drawing scaled image elements
	(navigators, background/folder images, etc...) and a slight
	improvement in image quality.
	(Licensed from Avery Lee's VirtualDub)

  + The Media Library Path Editor ("Shift+"M") interface has been
	restructured, making it clearer and easier to use.

  + The Skin Selection ("N") interface has been restructured,
	making it clearer and easier to use.

  + The Station Editor ("X") interface has been restructured,
	making it clearer and easier to use.

  + When running a new version for the first time, you will now be
	prompted only for important missing decoders.  The full list
	can still be found in the options dialog.

  + The missing decoders list in the Advanced Options dialog has been
	split into a list of Important decoders and All decoders in order
	to emphasize that not all decoders listed are required for
	general day to day media playback.  The Simple Options dialog will
	only show the Important decoders.

  + The Media Library navigator interface should work faster on
	networked drives and use less drive access.

  + The Media Library navigator will now only highlight the currently
	playing file once instead of constantly trying to highlight it.

  + The erase navigator confirmation dialog now returns to the
	navigator it was called from.

  + The navigation interfaces can now work without any graphics
	(without the "NavData" directory).  Won't look very good though.

  + Using the Next/Previous Track function with only one file
	in the play list will play the Next/Previous media file in
	the same directory (useful for picture browsing).

  + The Auto Show control bar when the cursor is at the screen's
	bottom now also Auto Shows the control bar when the cursor is
	at the screen's top.

  + Integration into Windows Vista file association interface.
	Zoom Player should now appear as a supported program for all
	association extensions supported by Zoom Player.

  + A new value has been added to the "Select" (Enter key) allowing
	it to open the previously open navigator.

  + Switching display resolution while in fullscreen should now react
	better with the main window covering the full display in the new
	resolution.  And if the display area covered the entire monitor,
	the display area is now modified to cover the new resolution.

  + Pressing Stop while already stopped (in media mode) will now return
	the playback position to its previous position.

  + The Default Play List skin has been tweaked a bit for usability
	and clarity.

  + The File and Media Library Navigators will now dynamically update
	their content when a removable media is inserted/removed.

  + When opening the File Navigator and the previous saved directory
	position no longer exists, the file navigator will go up through
	the directory path until a valid directory does exist or the root
	path for the drive is reached (previously, it would go straight
	to the root path).

  + The Blanking Navigator will now allow you to Enable/Disable Blanking.

  + The Control Bar will now have a minimum width of 64 pixels for the
	timeline and whatever space the active Control Bar buttons take.

  + The Mouse Cursor over the Volume, Rate Control, Balance and
	Equalizer bars will now use the "Hand Point" mouse cursor.

  + The Fast Play/Slow Motion rates have changes slightly.

  + Showing the Control Bar now hides the navigator interfaces.

  + Better streaming support.

  + Customized Media Playback has been renamed to "Smart Play".

  + Updated Smart Play profiles to account for Elecard v4's change
	of filter identifications. 

  + The "Mouse Wheel" section of the Options Dialog has been renamed
	to "Mouse" and the "Mouse Toggles" section has moved under it.

  + The Skinning Constants "<filename>", "<filetitle>" and "<filebase>"
	in DVD Mode will now display the DVD Title instead of the file name
	(which when playing DVDs always points to "VIDEO_TS.IFO".  This is
	simply more informative.

  + Pressing Enter in the Chapter Editor without any fields filled will
	now seek to the current position (useful for Subbing).

  + The Information Dialog (Press "I") now shows an approximate bitrate
	as calculated using size of the file being played when DirectShow
	doesn't return a valid bitrate.

  + Playing external audio tracks should now maintain proper
	synchronization when seeking.  Playing external tracks will
	also create improved graphs.

  + The Sort by Date feature now sorts new files first.

  + "Play List Editor display moves to follow currently playing track"
	setting now centers the currently playing track within the list
	(instead of having it appear at the top of the list).

  + The White Wash pattern (Shift+"P") now ignores aspect ratio and
	moves the bar somewhat faster (previously it was too slow).

  + The Smart Play Source Filter selection now allows you to add
	DMO filters as post processors.

  + Improved shortcut support.  When loading shortcuts, instead of loading
	the shortcut into the play list, the entry is replaced by the file
	the shortcut is pointing to.

	Furthermore, you can now use shortcut files in the file and media
	library navigators.

  + The Sub-Type list on the Audio/Video Smart Play configuration
	dialog will now display the FourCC code for each Sub-Type.

  + The Girder Command export function now exports Zoom Player's
	functions in a more orderly list grouping function types into
	Girder categories.

  + The Key Edit dialog is now a bit more friendly.

  + The Blanking Navigator key has been changed from "K" to Shift+"K" in
	order to prevent accidental activation.

  + The File Navigator key has been changed from "E" to Shift"F" in
	order to prevent accidental activation.

  + The Scene-Cut and Chapter Editor interfaces now require the use of
	Zoom Player Professional.

  - Audio Renderers containing "00" in their device name (such as the
	"SB Audigy 2 ZS Audio [A400]") could have disabled audio under some
  - Under certain conditions (such as logging a user out while
	Zoom Player is still running), Zoom Player would have crashed
	with an "Unhandled OS Exception" error.

  - Trying to run multiple instances all using the same TCP/IP port
	will no longer crash with a bind error.

  - The Hide TaskBar setting could cause issues in VMR9 Renderless
	Exclusive mode.

  - Flash files should now play in the proper aspect ratio on display
	devices that do not use square pixels.

  - OSD Messages wider than the monitor will now be cut to fit the monitor.

  - Possible fix for VMR9 Renderless Exclusive fullscreen mode where
	tray icons may have flashed.

  - Shortcuts with targets using unicode paths are now supported.

  - Under certain cases, loading play list files with relative paths
	would not always find the files.

  - Parameters in shortcut files are no longer ignored.

  - Zoom Player can now use/display BMP files created with Photoshop.
	(Recent versions of PhotoShop create improperly formatted BMP files).

  - Zoom Player user interface elements will now snap to the Visible
	Work Area (Task Bar rather than the Monitor border).

  - When Zoom Player was set to save its configuration file
	locally, or when using an alternative window name,
	Zoom Player would not load files from external programs if
	it was already open.

  - Auto-Disable DVD Subtitles and Preferred DVD Subtitles are now
	mutually exclusive (with warning message).

  - When Detached, The Control Bar can now be resized from the right
	as well as the left sides of the interface.

  - Better handling of filters that change the duration of the
	currently playing media in real-time (such as TSFileSource).

  - You should now be able to erase the currently playing file from
	within the Media Library Navigator.

  - Mid-Stream aspect ratio changes should now work better (was not
	working well when switching DVB TV-Channels).

  - Switching to Audio Mode from DVD Mode and then back to DVD Mode
	would load the Media Mode skin instead of the DVD Mode skin.

  - A few stability tweaks to the skin parsing engine (better handling
	of badly written skin-script).

  - The setting to prevent Zoom Player from using Smart Play by the
	extension of the file being played was not working properly.

  - Fixed a possible stability issue with Smart Play and problematic

  - A System-Sound would play when trying to exit Zoom Player using
	the TCP Interface.

  - The Hand Icon used over the Volume/Balance/Play Rate controls
	was not the windows hand icon, this is now fixed.

  - The Definition File "SetAudioSync" setting wasn't being applied
	when playing DVDs.

  - Using the "/F" or "/Z" parameters while Zoom Player is already
	fullscreen on a secondary monitor could cause the display to move
	to the primary monitor.	

  - The Change Resolution on Fullscreen feature may not have properly
	covered the video area.

  - The Search area background color on the Play List Editor was not
	being set properly for the default skin.

  - When ejecting DVDs as they are playing, Zoom Player may have tried
	to automatically replay them causing a DVD Not Found error to pop.

  - The Navigator Background skin code definition would only accept
	the image if it existed in the root skin directory.

  - The Navigator Background skin code definition was ignored if no
	icon file was set.

  - Automatic Save/Restore of the last position for ".dvr-ms" and ".ts"
	files was not working correctly.

  - Scene-Cut would malfunction under certain conditions (especially
	when trying to use it in combination with ".dvr-ms" files).

  - The Play List Editor Window sizes would glitch if closing
	Zoom Player while the Play List Editor was maximized.

  - When Zoom Player was set to disable the Windows Screen Saver
	in fullscreen mode, it could under some conditions cause
	hardware powerdown not to activate after Zoom Player was closed.

  - When scrolling on the Play History or the Key Editor, the
	screen will now update while scrolling.

  - Audio files will now be listed in the Play History even if the
	setting not to remember the last position for audio files is enabled.

  - Removing the currently playing file from the play list would not
	clear the file name from the Task Bar or Tray Icon.

  - Adding Chapters/Bookmarks would not automatically make the new
	Chapters/Bookmarks accessible in certain cases.

  - The "<track>" Skin Script value wasn't being cleared when a file
	was closed.

  - Sorting the play list could lead to the currently playing item
	highlight on the play list editor to show the wrong file.

  - Moving items in the Play List up/down could fail on unicode files.

  - The Bookmark/Chapter Navigator would not support unicode
	chapter descriptions.

  - The Gradient skin commands were not being effected by the skin tint.

  - Several Option dialog tabs may have not translated properly when
	a unicode translation was used.

  - Using a forced duration value in a Zoom Player Play List file would
	carry over the duration to the next file in the play list if it
	did not have a forced duration.

  - The Pop-Up OSD Action message would not show Unicode characters
	properly under some conditions.

  - Pressing Enter in the Station Navigator when the navigator contained
	no entries would have caused a crash.

  - Switching from DVD Mode to Audio Mode and trying to select a
	different skin, would set the skin to the DVD Mode and not
	the Audio Mode.

  - Closing the Player when the screen saver is active on a secondary
	monitor caused Zoom Player to crash and not close properly.

  - Opening a URL from the command line would have caused it to open
	using uppercase, which some servers would not accept as a correct
	location for the item.

  - Communication API Message 2500 would only transmit if a specific
	play on insert setting was enabled.  It will now always transmit
	if a new disc/drive was inserted.

  - Communication API Message 1850 did not properly support
	UTF8 file names.

  - Enabling the TCP/IP interface using an Extended Function did not
	properly enable the interface.
  - Some cosmetic glitches when using XP Themes.

  - Grid Interfaces (Play History, Key Editor etc...) now respect
	the windows color scheme.

#2 TheShadowRunner



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Posted 14 November 2006 - 08:17 PM

+ The Auto Show control bar when the cursor is at the screen's
bottom now also Auto Shows the control bar when the cursor is
at the screen's top.

Can you put an option to disable that behavior? I would like the control bar to just show up when mouse is moved to Bottom (only bottom)

Also, still no options to hide the Control Bar 'immediately' after the cursor is moved off the control bar in fullscreen mode :/


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Posted 14 November 2006 - 08:56 PM

The Control bar still does not display when STAY ON TOP is selected.

Reference this thread


Also, WMV/ASF videos fail to play with WMP11 installed on XP MCE 2005 SP2.

Reference this thread


Also, with the new "Bring to top" option for the "Open file dialog" hotkey, the hotkey works now as it should, but, clicking any other window with the open file dialog open sends the zoom player and open file dialog to the rear, as opposed to remaining on top as it should.

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Posted 14 November 2006 - 09:20 PM

Additional Navigation Interfaces:

Black 4x3
Black 16x9
White 4x3
White 16x9

To install, simply double click on the file or open the file within the player(requires ZP v5 RC1 installed).

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Posted 14 November 2006 - 09:27 PM

there is a long delay on my system - about 20 seconds - for the navigation interface to appear.
with the previous version (RC8) it was instant.
I use WinXP SP2, Athlon XP 1700, 1G RAM

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Posted 14 November 2006 - 09:40 PM

LCARS? Trekkie's... I'll check those out in a bit after I go over all the options :).

So far the only thing I saw that is out of place is the CD/DVD insert program settings. It's located in the DVD Tools settings and while it's fine for DVD to be in there CD is out of place. I don't have any good ideas where to relocate those settings though. It's minor but minor things can add up so I would like to figure out a good place to put those settings. Maybe System is a good place and it's sorta related to Association.


Audio and Video maybe should be dropped into Playback and Language dropped into Interface. Maybe turn Language into a drop menu instead of using a whole page to itself. Leaving it as a page is fine to though.

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on DVD Values you have a DVD drive option but down on System you have a CD/DVD drive option as well. Redundant option. Maybe that also should be wherever you decide is a good place to put the on CD/DVD insert options as well. Could also make it so users can have a separate CD and DVD drive as well.

I wouldn't mind seeing .!ut added as one of the default video formats on File Extensions. It's the uTorrent equivalent of an eMule .part file. Thats up to you though.

Well Nothing seems to be missing and thats all the potentially out of place items I could find. I'm liking the new menu design as well. Nice work on that.

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The LCARS download link is wrong. The new navs are great. I like black.

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Posted 14 November 2006 - 10:32 PM

Hi Blight. Glad to see you're still improving ZoomPlayer!

I have a problem with my ATI 7500 card (catalyst 6.2), which existed in previous versions too. One doesn't notice it as long as you're always using zoomplayer as the video player, but if you try to use another player that uses the overlay (MPC for example), you quickly encounter the problem: a black screen (sound, but no video). Then you realize that it's using the overlay, and by going to the overlay settings in the display driver, the brightness, contrast, etc.. are mostly set to 0 (not the normal default values). It seems zoomplayer sets up these wrong values when it exits. However, since it sets them back to normal values when started, the video can be seen in ZP. So I think the problem is that you try to read these overlay values when ZP starts, and you read wrong values (zeros mostly), then you set up the overlay (so you are able to write correctly), play the video, then before you exit, you write back the values you read (which are wrong). I hope this is the cause of the problem, because otherwise I don't know why the overlay settings always go to 0 just after ZP has played a video using the Overlay Mixer. So perhaps an extra option in the overlay color controls to tell ZP not to try to read the overlay settings, just to use the settings the user specifies as default. OR You could also try to read them silently on startup and if you find what you read is not normal, don't memorize it or write it back on exit.
Of course there could be a problem with the way you're reading those values, not in the driver (because this problem only appeared a few versions ago).

Also, I'm trying v5 RC1 Standard, and noticed that the option to automatically load video sequence files is disabled (for ex: CD1 CD2 etc.) Is that intentional?

Thanks for your great player!

PS: Wasn't there a Delphi component that allows you to integrate the .manifest inside the exe?

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Posted 14 November 2006 - 10:38 PM

I fixed the LCARS link. We did it as a proof of concept, it was really quick work (as there's not a lot of shading involved).

The audio/video/language is intentionally on the root to make them easier to find.

The CD/DVD is intentional redundency (it's the same setting mirrored to make it easier to find).

Personally I tell uTorrent not to use such file naming, but you have a point, i'll add that.

Does it matter which navigator you open? Also, if you rename "zpresampler.dll" to something else ("zpresampler.old" for example) does it make a difference?

ZP does indeed read and then tries to return the overlay values to what they were prior to ZP running. I guess the ATI driver doesn't allow you to read the values properly and only to set them and that might be the cause, I'll add a checkbox making it optional.

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Posted 14 November 2006 - 10:57 PM

Yea I guess it is logical not to bury the Language options. Someone that doesn't know English well wouldn't be able to find it :)

Also the LCARS nav is really pretty damn good. I actually am a Star Trek (original series really but TNG is good) fan.


Now that the navs work with the mouse it would be nice if their where up/down scroll arrows above the scroll bar. Kinda hate to bring that up now that they have been finalized but it had never occurred to me before.

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I just noticed they are in the upper right corner. Everything is fine.

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Posted 14 November 2006 - 11:08 PM

WMP bug is resolved. Any ideas on the other two?

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Posted 14 November 2006 - 11:49 PM

The control bar thing is intentional due to z-ordering issues with windows, I don't see how it can be properly resolved.

As for the window going back when other windows are clicked, again this is a windows thing, ZP doesn't have any specific code in there, windows just doesn't like multiple windows having stay on top.

why would you need an up/down arrows over the scroll? You already have up/down in the arrows AND using the mouse wheel is far more intuative.

The thing with the control bar is a bit iffy. I mean, it could be done, but it would cause the control bar to hide accidently way way way too easily. Especially with the design of the control bar not being directly at the top/bottom of the screen by default. If you can think of a way to integrate this in such a way that doesn't break things, i'd be interested to hear it.

Not sure if anyone noticed, but the navigation interface can also be tinted now, so you can have a wide variaty of colors for the design. Not to mention that with navigation being scriptable now, you can make quite a few changes to the layout.

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 12:00 AM

Like I said I noticed they are already on the upper right corner. It's fine that way so never mind. I proly could have been more clear what I meant with that I guess.

I personally use the slider for quick jumps and arrows when I want to scroll slowly. That goes for all programs not just Zoom Player.


About the CD/DVD Auto-Insert Program:

Can we get an option to have Zoom Player set that to whatever you want every time Zoom Player starts? WMP seems to love stealing control over that and it just happened to me twice since installing RC1. That is if such an option is not a lot of work or if you think it will slow Zoom Player down on startup.

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 12:33 AM

You say this is a bug in windows z-ordering, yet, I've seen applications do similar things. Winamp, for example, does just what I am trying to accomplish with ZP. They have a video window detached from a central control bar which can be docked at the top of the screen. The window stays on top appropriately.

Are these windows being treated as two separate applications? I have only seen STAY ON TOP cause an issue when two applications attempt to use the "Always on top" setting at the same time.

I would really really like to see a way to have stay on top enabled and have a control bar docked elsewhere on the screen.

I love ZP and hope that this can be accomplished :) The other issue isnt as big of a deal, in my eyes, but I would like to see this :) Thanks again!

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 01:02 AM

I have a couple of "old" problems which I failed to report in the prev8 tread and are present in the RC1 version too

1. The "Add to playlist" option in the Media Library Navigator for a single file isn't working. If I select a whole folder it gets added to the playlist, but no luck with single files or a list of selected files

2. again with the Media Lib Navigator. If I have a movie (Media) playing and open the navigator and press the left arrow key (eigher on the KBD or in the navigators interface) I go to the Category list ... which is somewhat strange but I'll get used to it ... now one will expect that pressing the right arrow key will bring him back to where he was .... but that's not the case ... we go into the folders list as if the "Enter" key is pressed. I find this very annoying and I beleive that it's a bug because if there is no media playing the "right" key does exactly what's it's supposed to do - goes back to the current file folder. The different behaviour in both cases makes me think that this is bug ... and I hope it'll be fixed soon

3. This one I've reported before but never found when exactly and why it's happening
The following part of the TAG display script never worked
Length <Tab>: <Length> / <PlayListTotal>
the <PlayListTotal> value in particular. Now I've found when exactly it's not working.
If I load files either from the Open File(s) / Open Directory or the Navigators the "Auto-get duration" action is skipped even though that the file extention (.mp3) is listed in the options. This action only works when I load the files from the Playlist window ... which I have to admin don't use at all. So after I found the issue with getting the duration of files I understand why the TAG display is not working.

4. one that I've just found
When the Internal Image decoder is used and one advances though pictures ... with PgUp/PgDn but I don't think this matters ... the mouse is not hidden. If I use DCoder's Image Source there is no such problem

now I'll play around with the new options window and report later

After I looked at the new options dialog I have a couple of suggestions:
1. Player Thread Priority - should be in the main System tab, as in Basic Mode. It has nothing to do with "Paths, Folders and Files"
2. Video and Audio Nodes should be sub-nodes to Playback ... may be in subnode called "Media" similar to "DVD" ... or something like this. I think there is somekind of disorder there but I'm not sure what's the correct order.
3. It will be nice also to have am "Apply" button to allow saving configuration without closing the window. With so many options in there it's nice to be able to save your work regularly and continue to work

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 03:34 AM

Great update, I especially like:

+ Using the Next/Previous Track function with only one file
in the play list will play the Next/Previous media file in
the same directory (useful for picture browsing).


I also like how I can now save a currently playing file to somewhere else using the copy/paste functions of the File Navigator. A faster way to do this would be greatly appriciated though (I just counted 20 keypresses to save the file I was viewing to C:\).

Now for some Bugs:

1) In the options screen the "+" buttons you click on to extend the tree don't always change to "-" when clicked.

2) When I select multiple files in Windows Explorer and then select "Enqueue in Zoom Player", each file is opened in it's own player. I have "Allow multiple Instances" on but I think in this case the files should all be added to a single playlist.

3) I think "Left+Ctrl-Click" should be called "Ctrl+Left-Click".

4) The File Navigator doesn't always auto-scroll to the currently playing file when opened.

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 04:41 AM

In Advanced Options > Playback > Smart Play, the Information tab text contains a misspelling.

A guide explaining the advanced ussage

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 05:57 AM

Found a more serious bug: single frame forwards or backwards no longer works for AVI files.

EDIT: Actually it does work with the default settings so I guess I have to try and hunt down the option that is causing this issue. :kudo:

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 07:52 AM

OK, I've narrowed it down:

Single frame forwards and backwards doesn't work in any of the VMR9 modes if "Enable Color Control Interface" is activated. Hope that helps, it wasn't very fun finding it.

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 09:58 AM


I use playlists with files from a network share, like \\<someshare>\videos\<some file>.avi. When I load such a playlist no entry is shown.

I still can drop the files to an empty playlist, save it (with full path info). But when I close ZP, then open the just saved playlist again, no entry is shown! The zpl file itself looks correct to me.

This has always worked before. Hope you can fix it.


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Posted 15 November 2006 - 11:51 AM

Congratulations with this release candidate Blight. I like the new navigators, they are a great improvement. Same applies to the options dialog. If I find something wrong in this dialog I will come back to report it.

What I especially like about the new navigators is the bold and solid impact it has using a front projector. In the 4.51 version the look and feel of the navigators was nice for a PC monitor, but not for a 100" wide screen. So thanks a lot for this upgrade.

Is it possible to change the look of the right-click context menu as well? I know that the options in the context menu can be changed using a customized .menu file, but I can't find a way to alter things like fontsize/type/color etc. Perhaps this is possible with a customized skin, but I'm afraid that is a little over my head. At this moment the context menu is good for a PC monitor, but too fragile for a front projector with a wide screen IMHO.

Would it therefore be possible to introduce some extra parameters in the .menu files to change the look of the context menu? It would be great if I would be able to give it the same solid impact as the new navigators.